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mayor
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If I agreed with you, then we'd both be wrong
Wonder how many Pilots and enlisted stayed on in China with Chennault after the AVG disbanded?
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Most of the pilots who stayed in China went with China National Aviation Corporation rather than stay with Chennault in the U.S. military. If I remember correctly, only 5 pilots went to the Army Air Corps while 20 went to CNAC.
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Thanks, but how many non-pilots stayed with Chennault?
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This reply addresses the 9 original Chinese Americans of the AVG.  3 of them resigned before July 4, 1942.  6 completed the short AVG period.  The six continued with Gen. Chennault, but 1 returned to America early.  The others continued on with the Fourteenth and completed the War.  My mother was with my father from Jan., 1943 to the end of the War.  They became a family of 4 by the end of the War.  Hope this helps.
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Agree with Rob. 

Only 5 AVG pilots enlisted (Frank Schiel, Tex Hill, Ed Rector, Gil Bright & Charlie Sawyer).

22 ground crew enlisted in the USAAF.  I believe that the Chinese members of the AVG are counted in addition to the 22 above.

Many AVG agreed to work for an additional two weeks to help in the transition from AVG/Chinese Air Force to 23rd Fighter Group/USAAF.  During this 2-week period the attack of 10 July 42 occurred, where pilots John "Pete" Petach and Arnold "Red" Shamblin were shot down during their attack dives.  Petach was killed in the crash and Shamblin was seen (by Baumler & Butsch orbiting overhead) to parachute to the ground and head for cover.  He was captured, tortured and killed by the Japanese.

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Quote From : aaatripp February 3, 2016, 12:11 pm
"Red" Shamblin were shot down during their attack dives.  Petach was killed in the crash and Shamblin was seen (by Baumler & Butsch orbiting overhead) to parachute to the ground and head for cover.  He was captured, tortured and killed by the Japanese.


Well, you don't KNOW that. All that we know (based on a story in the Japan Times & Advertiser) is that Shamblin was captured and that he didn't emerge alive at the end of the war. He could have died from any number of causes, including being torpedoed by an American submarine, as happened to hundreds if not thousands of Allied PWs as they were moved about from island to island as forced laborers.

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aaatripp
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Well, here's what we do KNOW:

A Shamblin family member who participates in the AVG Family group told me that the family was aware via a professor at the Univ. of Virginia that, following the war, the Army Graves Registration Service (AGRS) found an eyewitness, a local priest, who reported that a tall person with "golden hair" was seen on a dock by the river in the vicinity of Red Shamblin's crash site, near Linchuan (Fuzhou) China.  A Japanese soldier kicked the body into the river.  Supposedly Tokyo Rose had reported on the radio that "2 were shot down and 1 was taken prisoner".  Ajax Baumler reported that Pete Petach was apparently killed outright when his a/c exploded, lost part of a wing and crashed soon after releasing his bomb.  Shamblin was able to parachute free from his damaged a/c and was observed scrambling for safety after successfully reaching the ground.

More details can be found in AIR CLASSICS magazine, the Oct '94 issue "Strange Case of the Missing Flying Tiger".

Further input on this subject is certainly welcome as we continue to learn and document the final fate of both Red Shamblin (10 July 42) and Ed Leibolt (25 Feb 42).......two Lost Tigers.


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Edited by aaatripp : February 7, 2016, 11:09 am

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